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To reply and extend the discussion posted in the topic: What does it imply to be Christian? And a topic I posted elsewhere titled: Procrastination, I want to extend and expand it a bit...
I had a scenario where a lifegroup/homecell leaders conduct did not reflect the position he was appointed in - whether self appointed or not is not of importance at this point in time.
The thing is, that I addressed the situation and his conduct with him in person, and with a brother in Christ to no avail, I followed the chain of command and went up to the pastor who is heading his side of the homecell/lifegroup leadership. I uncovered a blunted burocracy which I addressed and got abandoned and marginalized by the pastor in question.
I was later confronted by this pastor in a rather hostile manner, where my integrity and ability to teach the children I did at church was questioned, and a comment made that I was inadequate and should refrain from such activities to which I responded that I can only be a transparent teacher. I can only be who I am, I cannot teach one thing and live another, and that I cannot see myself continuing my membership in a church if I get no joy when I attempt to address a situation with the leadership. I was then told that my resignation letter is expected. Which I tendered. I will not elaborate as to the exact details of our telephonic conversation just note that it was everything but pleasant.
It is no secret that there is no unity between the pastors in this church anymore for various reasons.
The question(s) at hand is this: If the leadership cannot live in love acceptance and unity why do they preach it to us? Why is there members in the congregation who is to blind sighted to see the disunity within the leadership? Why does one get abandoned and marginalized when confronting unbecoming conduct of certain leaders? Why do they engage you in a hostile manner? Why is there the various factions siding with the various pastors? Why all the cover ups? WHY??? WHHHHHYYYYY???
This takes away all credibility of anyone looking at Christianity. I refuse to be labeled Christian on reference to their conduct, I will hold to the scripture in John 1:12 - to all who believe He gave the right to be called children of God(the Heymans paraphrase)
To the nonbeliever there is no acclaim in Christianity, because as heathen there is blunted bureaucracies, corruption, cover ups, make-belief two facedness as is, what makes this Christianity being portrayed any different?
This situation forced me to leave the church, I have no hard feelings about this as I know the Lord is leading me on another road. It did however leave a lot of the members with pain and questions as to my leaving...
Lets discuss this in depth, voice your opinions, ask additional questions be free.
Love in Christ
TH
I had a scenario where a lifegroup/homecell leaders conduct did not reflect the position he was appointed in - whether self appointed or not is not of importance at this point in time.
The thing is, that I addressed the situation and his conduct with him in person, and with a brother in Christ to no avail, I followed the chain of command and went up to the pastor who is heading his side of the homecell/lifegroup leadership. I uncovered a blunted burocracy which I addressed and got abandoned and marginalized by the pastor in question.
I was later confronted by this pastor in a rather hostile manner, where my integrity and ability to teach the children I did at church was questioned, and a comment made that I was inadequate and should refrain from such activities to which I responded that I can only be a transparent teacher. I can only be who I am, I cannot teach one thing and live another, and that I cannot see myself continuing my membership in a church if I get no joy when I attempt to address a situation with the leadership. I was then told that my resignation letter is expected. Which I tendered. I will not elaborate as to the exact details of our telephonic conversation just note that it was everything but pleasant.
It is no secret that there is no unity between the pastors in this church anymore for various reasons.
The question(s) at hand is this: If the leadership cannot live in love acceptance and unity why do they preach it to us? Why is there members in the congregation who is to blind sighted to see the disunity within the leadership? Why does one get abandoned and marginalized when confronting unbecoming conduct of certain leaders? Why do they engage you in a hostile manner? Why is there the various factions siding with the various pastors? Why all the cover ups? WHY??? WHHHHHYYYYY???
This takes away all credibility of anyone looking at Christianity. I refuse to be labeled Christian on reference to their conduct, I will hold to the scripture in John 1:12 - to all who believe He gave the right to be called children of God(the Heymans paraphrase)
To the nonbeliever there is no acclaim in Christianity, because as heathen there is blunted bureaucracies, corruption, cover ups, make-belief two facedness as is, what makes this Christianity being portrayed any different?
This situation forced me to leave the church, I have no hard feelings about this as I know the Lord is leading me on another road. It did however leave a lot of the members with pain and questions as to my leaving...
Lets discuss this in depth, voice your opinions, ask additional questions be free.
Love in Christ
TH
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Permalink Reply by Thomas Heymans on -
The Lord is good.
I've met up with this mentor, and I have come to the realization that sometimes I need harsh words to come to full realization, per se I better operate under pressure.
I still love the people dearly but in essence the church has become nothing other than a social club with particular rules etc.
Why then are there so many conformists? Who do we aim to please? People? God? Self?
My grand parents were pioneers in this arena and founded a denomination, I can only be true to my heritage and myself. Therefore I am not inclined to conform.
TH
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Permalink Reply by MissDaisyAnne on -
Why are there so many conformists? because that is the easy way.
Who do we aim to please? honestly and most often our family and friends. We should aim to please, and focus on, and place Jesus Christ first in our life.
I have really been shocked at the different "belief's" of Christians, from the once saved always saved, to some who don't believe in heaven, to different opinions about the end times, and on, and on.
I feel like the reason for disunity, hostility, and various fractions, in the church is because people are falling into the trap of pride, also seeking power and prestige, which is Satans game--he wants to deceive and to destroy the church.
How are things going now?
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Permalink Reply by Jeffrey on -
I know how you feel. This past wednesday I resigned my post as Assistant Pastor at my, now former, church. We should be called Christians and nothing more. To embrace a denomination and it's doctrines I have come to learn means to compromise the scriptures and take on what that group believes that they say. Even when that may be different from what they actually do say.
I am following God's leading here. I do not know what is next. But I do know that He has a plan, I just don't know the details yet. I'm sure i'll know my next step when it appears. I'm moving completely on faith right now.
Jeffrey
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