Origin of Satan

[Terry Duncan]

A friend of mine is a great student of the Bible. He tells me many things he has learned in his Bible study time. I have invited him here. Hope he comes soon.

His main topic is the origin of satan. Before he gets here I want to hear from y'all. Did satan fall or was he made as he is from the beginning?

[rusty]

VISITOR: Satan was created at the beginning of his creation and that is very simple. The origin of satan starts with God. He created him and I thought you knew that. He certainly is not self existent. Unless you can go back before time and prove otherwise I believe it best if you do leave it alone like you said.
What are you doing here in this discussion in the first place ?
Are you afraid of the truth? Is this the reason you think it is a waste of your time? So you are afraid this will hinder your growth? Jesus says SEARCH THE SCRIPTURES; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me. Joh 5:39
This is essential to the Christian faith because we grow.
As newborn babes, desire the sincere milk of the word, that ye may grow thereby:
If so be ye have tasted that the Lord is gracious. 1Pe 2:2,3
If you want to grow and you think this is hindering that growth then maybe a little prayer will help. Ask the Lord why studying and discussing bothers you . I did not come up with the title . “ THEORIGIN OF SATAN” but it doesn’t bother me . Any topic in the bible excites me and I love studying God’s WORD. Anyone who comes in on this topic and doesn’t like it are free to go elsewhere but please don’t be critical of those that love and enjoy it. We are also growing.

You said." What's going on here?” You sound pretty confused. If what I have said can’t help I tried.
You said “Nothing in scripture tells us when Satan fell,” You need to take that one up with the Lord. Luk 10:18 And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.
Scribe said “JESUS SAID HE WAS THERE” but don’t believe that. As you can see he didn’t say that.
And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. Rev 12:7 Rev 12:9
THIS IS WHEN HE IS CAST OUT.
Notice that this event must SHORTLY COME TO PASS and it was signified by his angel.

The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John: Rev 1:1
And he said unto me, These sayings are faithful and true: and the Lord God of the holy prophets sent his angel to shew unto his servants the things which MUST SHORTLY BE DONE. Rev 22:6

This is Jesus’ prophecy being fulfilled It doesn’t look like he will be cast out but once to me . You determine the if and when.

Notice Lucifer’s name is not mentioned in both these places. Isa 14 has nothing to do with this event. Has this event been fulfilled yet? Isn’t this exciting!!!! Love it! Rusty

[JJ]

Can anyone explain the logic below:

2Peter2:4 For if God did not spare the angels who sinned,but cast them down to hell and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved for judgment.
Here tells us that those angels who sinned, they have been put into darkness by God. And assumes if Satan comes from the sinning Angle, may I ask how can an angel, who sinned, can turn into Satan when condemned Angel was already locked in the everlasting darkness (Jude 14) and climb up to the earth continue to seduce human being to sin?

[JJ]

If we assume Angel sinned before the creation took place, may I ask when did the sinning Angel turn into Satan when these angels have been locked in the darkness?