Mediums

[Moomins]

I know that as Christians we should have no need to consult mediums in aid to speak to our dead loved ones, but, my sister who is not saved did consult a medium today. After her visit to the medium she came to visit me to tell me about her experience. The medium gave her messages from two of our dead grandparents, telling her things that only we would know, the messages were not long and did not predict the future but they were very personal and very real......im confused and im not really sure what my question is....I guess im wondering that if these mediums can give us messages from those in spirit why is it so detestable to God, as a Christian I know there would be the danger of us leaving Gods path......does the Bible say that those in spirit can't speak or connect with us and if they can't, how on earth can some mediums relay precise information to a living person from someone in spirit????

[Kristen Barr]

Hi there hun,

I want to pray for you and your sister. I wasn't even able to finish reading all the posts as even reading about evil spirits and works of the enemy does such harm. I want to cover you with Gods love and let us not judge you but encourage you to seek the word of God and the fruits it provides. You are such beautiful people being tricked and treated by the enemy. Do not feel angry/ashamed from the feedback or give up on the bible but be thankful and give praise that jesus died on the cross. The hard work is done. Go and emerse urself in the precense of God and feel the peace his unconditional love can provide. Love and hugs. Krissy xo

[MURRAY]

While you may offer her all of the scriptural reasons for avoiding exposure to the occult remember that your sister will be observing your walk in Christ. Let His light shine upon her via your life in Christ. Talk to her from your heart then in private bring this problem to Jesus in prayer. He will know what to do.

[Scribe D'Nucov]

Excellent advice Murray.

[Ron Payne]

Hi There Moomims,

The reason why it is so detestable to God, is that it is not friends or relatives that supposedly pass on messages from the other side. The information that is given to these mediums who go into a trance can be quite convincing until you know where it comes from and how it works.
Some time ago, on AAG I explained how it works and why it appears to be so convincing. Never the less I will explain it again.

The Mediums are given all the data they need by demonic spirits in order to give messages to the people in attendance.

These spirits are around all of us day and night , looking and listening for opportunities to encourage us to sin or fall from Grace.

We shall call our hero Jack. Now, assuming Jack wants to go on holiday to a coastal resort using his motorcycle for transport. His parents are not at all happy feeling that it might be dangerous and try to encourage him to rather go by bus. They remind him how worried his late grandparents, Arthur and Mary were about Jack riding the Motorcycle. Jack's parents remind him about this, saying that Grandpa Arthur and Grandma Mary would turn over in their graves if they knew about it.

One week before Jack goes on vacation he is encouraged by a friend to attend a Seance for fun. Jack goes and with him go all the demons who always listen in to what Jack and his family have to say.

The rest is simple, At the Seance the Medium goes into a trance and the demons inform her of what is happening in Jacks home. The Medium will start by saying something like this: "There is a young man here who plans to go on holiday to the coast, but there are loved who are also here who I believe are his grandparents who died last year. I'm having difficulty now, but their names could be Art or Arthur and your granma's name is quite clear, it's Mary. I have it now, it's Granpa Arthur and Granma Mary. They send their love and beg you to rather take a bus than go on the motorcycle as you have planned. Is your mother's name also Mary?" Jack acknowledges that he is the one and confirms that his mothers name is also Mary. "Well says the Medium your grandparents want her to know that they are quite happy and comfortable where they are and send their love to her as well"

Jack can hardly wait to get home and give his mom and dad the news. "Dad, Mom.... The woman even knew their names and gave me a message asking me to go by Bus. It was fantastic, how on earth could she have known all that?
She even knew your name Mom. It sounds impossible Dad, but you should have been there."

A couple of demons maybe even more.... Look at each other and just wink and smile knowingly at each other as they listen to the conversation..

Moomins at no time was the Medium in contact with the dead, but with demonic spirits that listened to Jack and his parents at home and then passed it on to the Medium while she was in a trance. They especially love it when they are able to convey names to the Medium, because it then sounds more Authentic.

My Gran was an ardent follower until we spoke to people in the know and studied scripture and got to the truth of what is really happening in the Spirit world. I would strongly recommend that you speak to your sister and encourage her to stop.

The living know that they will die, but the dead don't know anything. There is no more reward for the dead when the memory of them has faded.
Their love, their hate, and their passions have already vanished. They will never again take part in anything that happens under the sun. (Ecc 9:5-6)

your friend in Christ
Ron

[Scribe D'Nucov]

Moomins, these things are warned against by God for the specific reason that Satan works to deceive people and draw them away from the truth. God does not send the dead to communicate with us. This is no different than the sorcerers and witches of the Old Testament who conjured spirits. It is no different than the Shaman or Witch-doctor today who uses demonic forces to manipulate and call up demonic manifestations.

I have personally, and know of several others, who were drawn in by false spirituality of these kinds. These things are 100% the work of Satan and his demons. They are completely designed by Satan to deceive.

Lest you doubt: I have personally seen apparitions (ghosts) and poltergeists (inanimate objects move by unseen forces) and heard spirit voices that deceived me. I know of others who got involved with this stuff. It is purely demonic and designed to convince you that there is some other force or power in the universe equal or superior to Christ. The labyrinth of deception is very deep and very dark and will draw people away from Christ, whenever they play with it.

Flee from this. It is a powerful delusion!

The good news is this: your sister did not become "more unsaved" than she was already. She may have become more confused or more deceived. But - the power of God is available to you still. Christ gives you authority over the power of Satan.

Remember: for the believer, it is always true "greater is He that is in me, than he that is in the world" Satan's power is nothing compared to Christ. Missionaries have overcome the demons of Witch-doctors in a thousand villages, in the name of Christ. At the name of Christ, even the demons must bow. I know of many cases where demonic stuff was going on, and a young believer with little sense of authority has cast out the demonic presences.

Pray for your sister. Quote the word of God as an intercessor on her behalf. Do not allow Satan to deceive you, and do not fear him. You have authority "over every power of the enemy, to tread on serpents and scorpions" in the name of Christ.

But also remember: a healthy respect and concern (not fear) for these practices is very good. Satan is a deceiver and he has been stripped of his authority in this world. Yet when people dabble in this - there are real demonic forces that are at work. Mediums have become demonized and even fully possessed by demons by playing with this stuff. Don't treat this as trivial. There is a spiritual battle to be waged.

Fight that battle with truth, fight that battle in the spirit by digging deep into your relationship with Christ. Hold fast to the word of God. You will need to.

[Scribe D'Nucov]

A quick note: read Deuteronomy 13.

[MURRAY]

I thought I'd bring this up. I've a dilemma of my own. My mother has a friend who wants her to go to a psychic fair tomorrow. I'm not sure when this lady began consulting spiritualists but ever since her husband died from cancer a few years ago she visits multiple psychics on a regular basis. She even requests that table settings for her dead husband be put out for him on my father's birthday as it falls on the same day! Furthermore, she also gave a book entitled 'The Secret' (occult book) to my sister for Christmas. My mother is not as knowledgeable as I am concerning what the bible has to say regarding spiritualists and the occult so I worry that her friend will become a bad influence by bringing this stuff not only to her attention but also bring it into my parent's house. I told my mom that I did at one time dabble in the occult out of curiosity and tried to dissuade her from a scriptural and experiential viewpoint from doing the same. I'm not that strong in the Christian walk myself having backslidden over the years so some prayer assistance would be appreciated. BTW thanks to those of you who welcomed me here. It's the first Christian forum I've ever joined.

[Thomas M Wagner]

If some think it's exciting to hear what the devil has to say through mediums. Why can't these same people be excited to hear what God has to say through his word? Does God not speak to them as well if they seek Him?

[Amanda]

I'm not sure but I strongly think that the bible stated that was the devil works in other words, they power to do that is from satan. Remember he was the one who had the keys to hell before Jesus took it back; but you should ask a person who knows the bible inside out and of course a true christian.

[dawn marie daley]

Dear Moomins, I pray for your sister. the spirit world isn't anything to play with. I started when i was 12 yrs old. i could walk into a room an a what i call a witch board view finder would move on its own. Praise God He delivered me.Satan didn't let me go easy. The first 6 months of being saved i did a head to head warfare with a satanist. Bible to Bible. All i could do was call on Jesus.Things where flying around the room and it was hot.Don"t give up hope and faith God wins. There are more experiences that Ive had.Jesus sets the captives free! Amen

[Scribe D'Nucov]

Dawn, thanks for sharing that. I know it's not easy, once you have been delivered, to discuss the work of the enemy. If you are like me, you find satan's works disgusting and vile. Most of the people I know refuse to mention it, after they have been delivered from such demonic influence and control.

[dawn marie daley]

Thanks brother,mentioning about my experiences is delivering. It's part of my testimony. I want to always give God the glory .He is my deliver my strength my shield the song of my heart.Be blessed.