Can we lose our Salvation?

[Sarah78]

I have been wondering this for awhile, is it possible for those who were once saved to be denied eternity with God if they have strayed? At what point can we fairly make an assumption that someone is no longer saved? I have heard that once saved always saved, and also that we can lose our salvation, so I am confused.

[Jared Wells]

LT, Revelations Chapter 20:12-13 "And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God: and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. And the sea gave up the dead which were in it: and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works."

[LT]

Jared,

The verses you refer to speak of multiple books and the book of life. The dead were judge by the things written in the books, it does not say in the book of life. In fact verse 15 states that those not found in the "book of life" are cast into the lake of fire. Thus their evil deeds are recorded in the books, but their names are not found in the book of life.

REV 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
(KJV)

This event also refers to the period at the end of the thousand year reign.

REV 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. (KJV)

Lord Bless,
LT

[Jared Wells]

LT,Revelation 3:5 "He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels."

[LT]

Jared,

Refers to "The Book" not the other books.

Lord Bless,
LT

[Gayla]

I did not read thru all the replies, as they are now, quiet lengthy, so what I am going to say, may have already been covered, however, I think we each have to come to our own conclusion on this matter, and I think that is why the scripture was given, that states: That we each have to work out our own salvation, with fear, and trembling.

I do not believe that God means a quaking in our boots, kind of fear, what I do think he means, is a holy reverence, for his word, his spirit, and everything that pertains to him.

The bible says that fear of God, is the beginning of wisdom, again, this fear that the author is speaking of is not one of being terrified of God, because that would go against everything that we know of his character, which is love. However, without fear, or a Holy Reverence, we will not treat the things of God, as they ought to be treated, with great importance.

The previous generation, preached hellfire and brimstone, this generation has for the most part, preached love. Somewhere in the middle, there is a perfect balance, I believe. I think that God desires that we serve him out of love, rather than fear, however, I believe at the same time, that he wants, needs and expects reverence from each of us.

We as humans, have a hard time conceiving of a Holy God, one without sin, since sin is so much a part of the earth that we live on, and have inhabited for all of our lives. We seem to think of God out of our own humaness, however, he is so far different than we as human are, as darkness is to daylight. His ways are higher than our ways, therefore we sometimes struggle in trying to understand him.

This particular topic, has never been fully decided by the Christian camp, entirely. I believe it is Gods will for it to be that way. I think that is why he gave the scripture, to work our your own salvation, with fear and trembling, remiding us of his holiness, and his perfection, and our complete dependance upon him.

He wants a personal relationship with each of us, and he wants to lead us thru his word, helping us to understand it, as he meant for it to be understood. As we do this, he can and will teach us and train us, himself, thru the power of his Holy Spirit, in fact, another verse in the bible states that we need no teacher, but, him.

I think it is his will for us to learn how to depend upon him, alone, for the answers to the questions that we have. If we get them directly from him, how can we go wrong? Unless we are listening to the wrong spirit, and that is the topic for another message.

My personal opinion is that once we truly receive Gods gift of salvation, that nothing, nor noone can take it from us. And noone in their right mind, would even consider turning their back on such a wonderful gift, unless they had been deceived by the adversary.

Gods word declares that he is married to the backslidder, and it speaks of leaving the 99 to go in search of the one, who has strayed, to me, showing how very important that one truly is, to our Savior. I believe that our God will stop at nothing, to bring a straying child back into the fold.

This scripture taken from 1st. Corinthians 3:15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss : but he himself shall be saved ; yet so as by fire. is the final determining scripture, that answered the questions that I had concerning this topic.

I believe that God, will woe us, if we are in sin, by his spirit, that he will send many things our way, to get our attention, and if we continue to pursue our course, of not giving heed to his word, or his spirit, he will take action, as he deems necessary and fitting according to the extent of our wrongdoing.

There is another scripture that states, It is a fearful thing, to fall into the hands of an angry God. With all due respect, I personally do not want to raise the wrath of my Father, rather, I choose to do everything within my power, to serve him, to the best of my ability. My life has not been perfect, but it is my desire that is be as close as I am able to do in my humaness, and I would never, intentionally do anything that I felt would grieve the Holy Spirit, as I greatly appreciate the wonderful gift that I have been given, and choose willingly to everything in my power, to share what has been given to me, to any who desire to have the presence of God living within, and to be led by his spirit. To me, that is the greatest thing that has ever happened to me, in my entire life.

I love my family, but, I love God more, and I desire to be here with them, but, if he should call, I am ready to go, choosing to be present with him, rather than to live on this earth.

God knows our heart, our thoughts, our desires, our hopes, and he knows whether or not we are sincere with him, when we come in prayer. He watches our ways, and what we do, how we conduct ourselves, and he is the only one, who can truly determine if our salvation is for real, or is a fake.

If we are real in our love for the Lord, and truly desire to serve him, to love him and to please him, he will know it, and we will have an assurance in our spirits that we truly belong to him. If we do not have this assurance, it is to our best interest to pray and seek him until we do.

[John Saputo]

http://www.tangle.com/view_video?viewkey=419e06b5f27342f0eb99&m...

There is a judgment for salvation for those who did not accept the sacrifice of Christ; that is the White Throne Judgment and the result is the Second Death for all those who's name were not found in the Lamb's Book of Life. The Bema Judgment is for believers only and they will be judged for the motive of their deeds done in the Body. The result will be Rewards or loss of rewards and the stature you will have in eternity before Christ and the saints.

John who was his beloved apostle, that knew Jesus intimately fell as a dead man when he saw the Lord in all of His Glory...how will I and you feel when we see this Lord and Savior that we have as Christians have sinned against time and time again and ignored His commands. I could just wet my paints but it is not terror that I fear it is His loving face that I can not bare to consider facing. God help me and you to get it right before we meet Him. Yes we are saved by utter grace but our works will state loudly and clearly how much we loved Him.

[JAMES FINBORG]

HELLO SARAH78 IF WE ARE BORN AGAIN GOD SAID WE ARE SAVED NOTHING CAN TAKE THAT AWAY SURE WE WILL SIN AND HAVE SIN IN ARE WALK WITH CHRIST. BUT CHRIST TOOK ALL SIN AT THE CROSS THATS WHY HE JESUS SPOKE MY GOD MY GOD WHY HAVE YOU FORSAKEN ME. IT IS BECAUASE JESUS WAS TAKING ALL OF THE SIN IN THE WORLD ON HIM SELF. GOD HAD TO TURN HIS BACK ON JESUS BECAUSE GOD IS PURE AND SINLESS AND COULD NOT LOOK AT THAT SIN. THERE ARE THOSE WHO DONT RECIVE CHRIST AND GO TO HADES OR HELL. SOME PEOPLE ARE VERY STUBBORN WE NEED TO PRAY FOR THEM THAT THEY WILL COME TO KNOW JESUS. GOD WILL NOT TAKE AWAY OUR SALVATION IT IS A GIFT OF GOD. PRAISE THE LORD. GOD BLESS YOU YOUR BROTHER IN CHRIST JAMES.