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[Christine_loves_jesus]

Hi there, I feel doomed in a way and have lost my connection with jesus and god. I was doing confirmation lessons when I decided to quit because it was too hard getting there. I also don't go to church anymore because my fiacne thinks its full of petefiles. The other night I was trying to pray. .. Normally I would feel this beautiful light come over me with jesus presence but I couldn't feel it.. I wonder if jesus and his father are angry at me?? I used to want to be a nun but I can't leave my fiance because it would be too hard for me. On top of that I'm having pre marital sex and can't stop it and don't want to either. Is it possible to still have jesus in my life still? I think I already know that I have pushed him away and chosen my earthly partner over him ... but I don't think I want that.I'm confused...

[Moomins]

It pains me to read what I read here, you sound very confused and hurt. The very first thing you have to remember is that God will never leave you and you do not always have to feel Him to know He is with you. It is often in these dark times that God is ever present, waiting to catch us when we fall. Be honest with God, tell Him everything, tell Him the effect that your partner has on you attending Church, Tell Him what you really want. Tell Him about the relationship you are in, the good and the bad. I think we all feel as though we push Jesus away at certain points in our lives, this leaves us with a sense of sadness and shame, but God is waiting, He is waiting on you calling His name. No matter what we feel or how we live, Jesus Christ loves us and the thing He longs for most, is an open honest relationship with you. Being honest with God will help you be honest with yourself. Be open to Him and remember that God is never in a hurry, all things happen in His time and not ours, so dont expect things to change overnight, but they will change. God is not angry with you, He loves you and longs for you, He is a forgiving God.

Praying for you
Moomins

[julie007]

Hi, you sound so intelligent. I thougt my relationship with Jesus was strong. But I have fallen and am addicted to prescribed medication and as much as I ask God to help me, I can not stop using these pills. They are for lower back pain, but they are now taking over my life.... I am so confused and so sad and even sadder because I have let the only one down who has never let me down, Jesus.... Thanks for listening. Julie

[Sherwood MacRae]

You're right, Julie, we do not let Jesus down as - for certain, we are not holdiing Him up.

The greater problem than drugs, prescription or otherwise, stems from the fact that we often look on Him as another "tool" in our tool kit; the one we use to fix our problems.

He fixed ALL of our problems and perfected all of our answers at Calvary, over 2,000 years ago and all we have to do is come to Him - in faith, certain that He is who He claimed to be. It is not a matter of "hanging in there" but turning to Him - in prayer, rather than opening another pill bottle. You will be surprised to discover all that He can do when we place our faith in Him.

It took me 45 years to learn that and I will assure you, based on the 34 years I have walked with Him, 24 hours a day, seven days a week, that He will bring real joy to your life - as the Bible reads, "...joy inexpressible and full of glory."

[jhosel sanchez gamboa]

hi, i wish that i could see and touch you so that it would ease the pain and help you in a small way . . all i can do for you at this moment is to pray for you. You are a special person in God's eyes, don't waste your life and keep yourself busy in things that are not important focus your mind in praying for others needs, like here in the philippines many people get hungry because of global crisis arise all over the world. wake up and smile God is always with you wherever you are and whoever you are right now . . . we can have our time on chat i'm available during mondays 12:00 noon until 5:00 it was my rest day during week end busy teaching children and adult about Jesus. . .
a friend from Jesus,
jhosel

[felixpadua]

agree ako sa yo jhosel.

[Greg, TheNET Coordinator]

Christine,

Thank you for being very honest about what you are thinking and feeling, not only about your relationship with God but also about having pre-marital sex and not wanting to stop that.

While I agree with Moomins that you need to be very honest with God about what you are thinking and feeling and to tell him all of that. I disagree that God is not angry (Deuteronomy 31:17, I Kings 11:9, Zechariah 1:12, Romans 1:18; 2:5; 2:8) or that he will never leave you because the Bible tells us that clearly that God is angry at and hates sin of all kinds (including sexual sin), and that we cannot claim to be Christians and be willfully disobeying Him and his revealed will in the Word of God (Hebrews 10:26-27, I John 2:3-4). If we keep on sinning and choosing sin over God, it proves we are not saved and we have every right to feel doomed.

Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God (1 Corinthians 6:9-11).

In fact, sometimes that fact that we have these feelings of being condemned and doomed is because God's Holy Spirit is disciplining you (Hebrews 12:7-11). In a way, you should be thankful that you do feel condemned because God is discipling you and trying to get you to change. But if you keep on going the way you are, soon you will not feel that way, you will have hardened your heart and God will let you have your own way (Hebrews 3:7-19). And you will be in a very scary place:

If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left, but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God. Anyone who rejected the law of Moses died without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. How much more severely do you think a man deserves to be punished who has trampled the Son of God under foot, who has treated as an unholy thing the blood of the covenant that sanctified him, and who has insulted the Spirit of grace? For we know him who said, "It is mine to avenge; I will repay," and again, "The Lord will judge his people." It is a dreadful thing to fall into the hands of the living God. (Heb 10:26-31)

Do not be deceived, pre-marital sex is sin. Please re-read and mediate on everything people warned you about in the previous post at http://www.allaboutgod.net/forum/topics/1383940:Topic:226807

Jesus would say to you, "Repent and believe the Good News" (Mark 1:15). Repentance is taking God's view of sin, being sorry about the way you are behaving, and being willing to turn away from you sin.

Next, believe in Jesus Christ as not only your Savior but also LORD. In other words, believe He has the absolute right as your Lord, King, Ruler and Master to tell you what to do and how to live. The Bible says, "If we confess with our mouth Jesus as LORD and believe in our hearts God has raised him from the dead we will be saved" (Romans 10:9). It appears, however, that you don't believe at this point that Jesus really is LORD.

Christine, I don't want to be unnecessarily harsh with you, but you are in grave danger! Please don't say "Christine loves Jesus" and then live like "Christine loves sin". You cannot serve two masters. How long will you try to have it both ways? God is not fooled; He will not be mocked. Jesus says it is impossible to serve two masters (Luke 16:13). You have to choose whom you will serve. I pray it will be Jesus. He will forgive your sin right now and restore you and love you (I John 1:9), but you have to make a decision to leave it.

We all feel the pull and attraction of sin, and I'm sure you love your boyfriend, so my heart goes out to you. But those feelings you are having right now of being doomed are there for a reason. Don't ignore them. Repent and obey God.

[Greg, TheNET Coordinator]

The thought also occurred to me...

You said you don't go to church any more because your fiance thinks the church is full of pedophiles. In God's sight, your immoral sexual relationship together is every bit as wicked as pedophilia. So....

1) that is no excuse for not going to church. Join the hypocrites (because we all are).

2) he has just condemned himself as well.

You, therefore, have no excuse, you who pass judgment on someone else, for at whatever point you judge the other, you are condemning yourself, because you who pass judgment do the same things. Now we know that God's judgment against those who do such things is based on truth. So when you, a mere man, pass judgment on them and yet do the same things, do you think you will escape God's judgment? (Romans 2:1-4).

[Christine_loves_jesus]

Sorry Greg but I don't think your right anymore. I know jesus loves me and I love jesus who are you to say that I shouldn't be having my name as loving jesus... you have no right to judge me. It says in the bible you shouldn't judge or you'll be judged yourself by god. I now believe if u want to go to hell you will, if you want to go to heaven you will. Its up to you. Jesus still loves me even though I sin. And I still love jesus.. Its a human flaw which is hard to overcome but it doesn't mean that I'm not loved. I don't think you have the right to be so harsh... my priest was less harsh than you and he has more experience. My priest...who is a priest which you MUST remember told me I won't go to hell for pre marital sex...he said I shouldn't do it but I won't go to hell.. Greg I don't think you have the right to be so judgemental ...you can kick me off this forum if you wish but it'll just prove my point

[Greg, TheNET Coordinator]

Christine,

I am sorry if what I wrote seems harsh. And like I said, my heart goes out for you because I know what the pull of temptation feels like. Yes, we are all flawed and we all sin. I am not going to kick you off this forum.

However...

It doesn't really matter what you think about pre-marital sex, what your priest thinks, or what I think. The only thing that counts is WHAT GOD THINKS. You are going to have to give account to him.

Call me harsh or judgmental... it doesn't matter. I am only the messenger telling you what the word of God says. Please take up your argument with God and his Word that was quoted above. Show Him in the Bible where it says, "If you want to go to hell you will. If you want to go to heaven you will." You will be looking for a long time, because it's not in there.

I wrote as I did because I genuinely care about you. I'm merely warning you that you are in a burning building about to collapse. If you choose to stay inside that is your decision.

You are loved... loved enough to be warned... loved enough by God to change you and call you out of your sinful situation.

[felixpadua]

hello christine. what a beautiful name, a name derived from the word Christ.

christine, why don't you and your fiance get married? and then the two of you can have all the sex you want. when married, you are not sinning anymore because you're now having sex with your husband, not with your fiance. end of confusion.

after marriage, go back to church, confess your sins, and live your lives with Jesus in the center. and ask your husband not to call people in church petefiles. no such creatures in church. i search for the word in the dictionary, it's not there. start of a christian life.

then have children, raise them according to the teachings of Christ. please don't complicate your life. life is short, live it well. so that when you die, you will live with God in heaven forever.

o here's a joke i got from the AAG forum to cheer you up-

BIGGER TURKEY-
A woman walks into a butcher's shop just before closing time and asks, "Do you have any turkey?"

The butcher opens his fridge, takes out his only turkey and puts it on the weighing scales. It weighs six pounds.

The woman looks at the turkey and at the scales and asks, "Do you have one that's a bit bigger than this one, please?" The butcher puts the turkey back into the fridge and then takes it out again, but this time when he puts it on the scales he keeps his thumb on the turkey. The scales now show eight pounds.

"That's wonderful," says the woman. "I'll take both of them, please!"

(Ha ha ha.... gotcha butcher!)

the moral: don't cheat and don't tell a lie.

[Greg, TheNET Coordinator]

Sound words, Felix. Thanks!

"...because there is so much sexual immorality, each man should have his own wife, and each woman should have her own husband" (I Corinthians 7:2).

[Bev]

Hi Felix,

Just to clear something up, you said "and ask your husband not to call people in church petefiles. no such creatures in church. i search for the word in the dictionary, it's not there. start of a christian life." Pedophile's definition is: one affected with pedophilia; and pedophilia is: sexual perversion in which children are the preferred sexual object, according to webster. And to say there are none in the church is a stretch. There are all kinds of people in church.....we all sin, even churchgoers.

But to use it as an excuse not to go to church is wrong, Christine. One should go to church to get the message from God and give back to God by giving of their time, tithe and service, not to worry bout who is there and what kind of life they live other than to pray for them and minister to them. Christine, if you are struggling with reasons to go and not to go you should seriousy examine your motives and convictions. If you are missing church based on someone elses misconceptions then you really need to think about reexamining them. Go for the right reasons; don't not go for the wrong ones. Your relationship with Christ depends on your choices not your fiance's choices for you.

I am 100% sure Greg meant no harm and I know for a fact he needs no defending as he speaks the truth of the Word. Fornication is wrong and the mere fact that you think God may be angry with you or that you wonder if He is "still in your life" proves that you feel something is wrong too. You are seeking answers (or absolution) yet you do not seem to want to hear the truth. The blanket statement of pedophiles in the church is of no significance when it comes to YOUR relationship with God. That would be between God and the alleged pedophiles. The fact that you are allowing ANYONE to keep you away from His will and a relationship thru fellowship is cause for concern. May I ask you, what do you want? Where do you desire to be in your walk? How do you feel about it all? And, at the end of the day, what is more important to you?

God bless you as you dilligently seek His will,
Bev